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Sunday, April 11, 2010

Disillusioned?


What a gorgeous day it is out (Sunday)...I have been hoeing away for quite awhile, hoping to have an acceptable home for some veg. this summer. The great thing about doing work like that is the fresh warm air and sunshine, and the time to think. The blisters and sore back not so much...but it's a worthwhile trade, I think. :)

Part A
I have been thinking about disillusionment, since Scott spoke on it this morning. Being disillusioned really sucks. Because it's not just a matter of bursting your unrealistic bubble and carrying on. It'a a real drag because the reason we have illusions or idealistic visions of things in the first place is because we have needs and desires, and we were really hoping that they would be met in our illusion. So now that our bubble has been burst, there they are...out there...unmet...what to do...
And I wonder - were my needs/desires unrealistic too? And that line of thinking just hurts, because we need what we need, and we want what we want. Those are who we are, and to think that part of ourselves is illegit is tough cookies. And wrong thinking.
The problem with our illusions isn't the need or desire that pointed us there, it's that we had hoped that our needs/desires would be met and satisfied somewhere they could not be. So when the bubble bursts, it isn't the need that was the problem, it's that we now realize that it won't be met there. And that is disappointing and very concerning to us.
When we realize that we are disillusioned, we are often pretty hard on ourselves; that we believed in the illusion in the first place. And often we are pretty mad at whoever we thought should execute our illusion, because they failed to do so. But we shouldn't be upset with ourselves about our needs/desires. They are what they are, and they are a part of all of us. They are legit. And we shouldn't be mad at someone else, since probably we were asking too much of them - hence - it was an illusion. What we need to do is regroup and take another look at what we should do with those needs and desires that is healthy and true. And that part of this conversation is best taken up with Jesus.

Part B
(I told you I was out there for a long time...you can come back later, I won't be offended)
'Say there was an organization, full of wonderful people, fully committed to a common goal, multi-talented and gifted. After a number of years in existence, with the commitment and efforts from all remaining strong, and efforts to learn and grow sustained over the years, this organization still falls short of one of it's main goals and values. What would you say the problem might be?'
Maybe, you say, 'sour leadership'.
And I reply, 'nope, good guess, but they have had humble, serving, committed leaders who have been dedicated to do their best and see this organization be successful. They aren't perfect, but the effort and good attitude has been there. Try again'.
You say, 'they must be missing a skill set essential to the implementing their goal'.
'Okay', I say, 'maybe'. They have wondered that too, and have searched far and wide for what might be missing; in fact some of them have burnt-out looking for it.'
'Wait', you say, 'Then would wonder if their goal was realistic for their organization?'
'Hmmm'.
I say. 'Good point. Let me think about that.'

Part C (by now my back is hurting, and I have to stop hoeing and rake for awhile...it's looking good though!)
One of the big pains in our CV family is the issue of community. Pain for those who believe in it strongly and try their guts out to create it, and feel that they have fallen short, exhausted and, you guessed it, disillusioned. And pain for those who need it and look for it and hope for it here, and don't find it enough, or at all, or in a way that meets their need. Disillusioned. So I am thinking and wondering...and please join me if you have something to add, because this is in no way a finished thought process...is our goal and picture of community realistic?

Here are a few of my thoughts on that. (longest post ever, I know.)
I know that Christians can be very hard on themselves with what they think they should be and do. And I know that our desire to follow Jesus can be very strong, since we are responding to incredible love and forgiveness, and in that intensity we can end up trying very very hard to please God. And this can cause us to try and be all that Jesus models for us in our own strength and with our own effort and commitment. And I know that it can't be done, because Jesus says we need to die to ourselves, and let him do it in us. So that's one illusion.

I also know that this 'hard on ourselves' attitude leaks out to us being very hard on each other in a Christian community. I can't tell you how many times I have heard, and yes, thought myself, 'she should know better, because she's a Christian.' Which is translated as 'she should be perfect, dammit! How dare she hurt me like that!' Illusion also.

I also know that many people think that friendships just happen for wonderful people, kind of like good kids are given to most parents, but the kids I got are not good. Ever watch Supernanny? Parents of 'out-of-control' kids call up Supernanny and ask her to come and fix their kids, because they want a happy family, not this chaos they are living in. And in rides Supernanny, and surprise surprise, she tells the parents everything they are doing wrong, and loves up on the kids. Turns out (every time) that it wasn't the kids at all, it was the parents. 'Good' kids don't just happen, they are the product of effective, committed parents. The same goes for friends. Good friends don't just happen to good people. Good friends happen when people put in time and effort and commitment into building those friendships. Another illusion.

What does it mean to love each other? I think we most often think it means marriage, or parents and kids, or best friends. And it does. But is it realistic to think that everyone we are in church community with will be connected to us like that? Of course not. But I wonder if we really know that, when we are in crisis and people don't call us up and invite us out for coffee, like a good friend would. So no, you say, of course I don't expect that from the whole church, but I do expect it from a few. Okay, that's realistic, I say. If you have put in time and effort and commitment into those relationships, it is realistic that those friendships would continue when you are in crisis. I don't think that is an illusion, and it's also realistic that there are times when our friends can't do coffee, and we all know that and don't freak out about it, so that's still realistic.

But what about when you don't have those close friends built up to be there for you when you are in crisis, or just to walk with you, no matter how you are doing? What is the church community supposed to do for you then? And there's the rub. (Time for a sit down and a glass of water.)

We are supposed to love each other. 'They'll know we are Christians by our love.' So back to 'What does it mean to love each other?' I Cor. 13. Sure, let's look at that. Hold on while I Biblegateway it.

1 Corinthians 13
Love
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


So what think ye? First part - love is the most important thing. So good goal, realistic so far. Note: giving my body up even to death and giving everything I have to the poor is not love, neither is the awesome-est faith-filled prayer ever, or a very cool prophecy for you. interesting. illusion too, maybe.
Second part - everything to do with how we treat each other. No mention of time or coffee - it's not about what we do for each other, but about our attitude toward each other. (just thinking outloud here...)
Third part - hold up. Love never fails? I sure fail, all the #(*$&#^ time. Sorry. But so do you. So I, clearly, am not love, neither do I love all the time. that's an illusion for sure. back to biblegateway, hang on.

1 John 4:7-the end.
God's Love and Ours
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.


Wow. There is a lot there...I might have to go hoe some more.
Love comes from God, God is love. Love isn't how we treat each other, but how he treats us. What? say that again. Love isn't how we treat each other, but how he treats us. How does he treat us? Go back to 1 Cor. 13.

We can't love without him, or without knowing him. We can't know love without knowing him.

Part Thee
So...what does it mean to love each other in a church community? and what is a realistic goal for a community, and a realistic expectation from that community?

okay, so now my back hurts from sitting in front of the computer, so you are going to have to take it from here. if you have any flashes of brilliance, or another question maybe, or even just a small point to make...please do...

Shelley

7 comments:

  1. OK, LONG RESPONSE WARNING... and probably mostly incoherent but I'm trying here LOL!

    Yeah Shelley, I totally don't get how to "do" love in church community. I can barely do "love" the way Paul describes it with my husband and best friend(s).

    I can say that by attending at the Vineyard and joining a small group when I first started I developed some really close friendships that have been a significant part of my life for the last 6 years - the kind of relationships you described in the paragraph that starts: "What does it mean to love each other? ...

    But I don't know how to answer the broader question of what it means to love or receive love in a church community and what's realistic... I mean there are soooo many needs and so many people are isolated for tons of different reasons, k but that's not my point...

    I mean, when you remove the personal relationship(s) out of the equation you're asking how is the church as an INSTITUTION supposed to love aren't you?

    If being a part of a community that cares for you is a "need" in every human being - which I pretty much think it is. I think it is a pretty lofty goal to say that everyone who walks through the doors of the CV 'building' will find that. I mean it's a nice thought and in a way it's true. As a whole, "we" as a congregation do care for "everyone" who walks through the door... but individually... how can we?

    We're not really - really a community. Maybe some small groups are, groups of friends or leadership teams or 'whatever' teams but a community, the kind that supports one another, is involved in day to day life together... the kind I have with Tim, or Simone or Tina... um, I don't think it's realistic to expect that from a "church"... It may be realistic to expect to find people within a "church" to build community with though... but that takes personal commitment and effort and time.

    Unless the "church" is supposed to be a social agency with therapists, doctors, nurses, caregivers, life coaches - all with a never ending supply of energy and time. If that's the case then well, we are sorely missing the mark.

    I suppose I need some definitions.

    Define community:

    Define church:

    I missed Scott's sermon today, I'll have to listen to it when it's up on the website.

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  2. i'm so tired right now but want to say a couple of things. i don't think it's idealistic to want to be loved and valued ... to be treated with dignity and respect. we all fall short in these areas on the giving and receiving ends. i don't think it's an illusion to want these things ... or to expect them. we are built in God's image. so ... if we 'hope' all things about the basics that's actually ok. but if, in the broken world we live in, we are not realistic about our and others brokenness ... we are indeed living an illusion. then again, acceptance, forgiveness and learning how to love each other in deeper ways is an opportunity for personal and communal growth. as my girlfriend's counselor told her when she was clawing her way through the growth part of healing ... 'this is a bfgo for you (big *!+?ing growth opportunity). i think you are right shelley ... we get these things from God, but we are not guaranteed to get them from one another. should we? by all means yes. do we? not so much. vulnerability comes at a very high price. i do not believe for one moment that God wants us to forfeit our need or desire for love from Him, ourselves or one another. He did not build the world to be broken. naiveté on the other hand brings chronic disillusionment fatigue syndrome. how do we deal with the tension? well ... it's the already and the not yet of Love ... the whole point of the kingdom. i think it's ok that i am completely crippled by my broken marriage. i took my vows seriously when i took them. i was not perfect in my marriage ... but i did not expect it to end. was i naive or living in an illusion? of course not ... but then again ... ??? in any case, God, and a few friends who i have invested some thick or thin time with, are binding up my wounds. i've never known God to be so near. and some days i don't give a rip. but we are still in this together ... and thankfully i haven't warded off all of my supports (yet). part of the reason is because i don't have one person who i feel is responsible/on call 24/7. if i needed that, i should be hospitalized. do i think we could organise things differently so that people had tangible (if they recognized and responded to) arrows to opportunities for community without over-programming and burnout? sure. what are they? i guess i'd see how others do it, i'd talk about it, i'd pray about it, i'd take some risks ... but here's my broad-based pet peeve in this arena. if we, for the most part, as individualists in our culture can't stand to be with our own families, how can we expect the church to meet our needs for community? so we are left with the both/and of human beings in our culture in this day and age. built to give and receive love ~ broken, unique ~ want things on our own terms, creative ~ over-sensitive to criticism ... and so it goes. but we are not completely inaccessible as a human race ... or God's love would be in vain ... and it is not. so there is hope ~ but what are we waiting for, there is faith ~ but what is it in, and there is love ~ but are we willing to risk receiving and to giving it? all of this in earthen vessels. God is the one who created us. there can not be no answers to this stuff. in the meantime ... receive and give to the best of your ability or inability and be satisfied (for crying out loud) that it's enough, for now anyway, while you hope and pray for more. does this make sense? ~ loving you shelley ... tina

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  3. Good points Julie. I posted a long reply yesterday but when I went on today it isn't up here. grr...

    I like your point about church being a place where someone could find community if they are looking for that. so then another question - are we that? I kind of think so - I think their are opportunities to connect with others.

    you are right about being a social agency - we aren't and can't be that I don't think, unless we have a huge volume of volunteer time and expertise. I think somehow I tend to think though that meeting and knowing Jesus should provide some of those things, only in a real and lasting way though. But I'm not sure how we could bring Jesus to people in that way. or if we should try to. hmmm.

    Definitions? good question. as I use the words:
    church - a group of people who meet regularly to worship Jesus because they prefer a similar style/method of worship (meaning everything we do), and who share common priorities in areas that we want to serve Jesus, and we have common priorities in our belief systems as well.
    Community - a place where I belong, where I feel known and I know the others in a way that feels safe and is growing, I can take risks in relationships and grow, we share common ground in some significant way, and I feel like I make a significant contribution to the group.

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  4. Tina - agree about those needs being valid, absolutely. and I also agree that we aren't always realistic about our own and other's brokenness. so there can't be a guarantee that we will get them from each other.
    I love your point about the already and the not yet of love! I get that! and living with that is a constant re-calibrating, isn't it, because we don't like that uncertainty and lack of control, and the humility of needing to keep asking even though the result might not come for a long time or the way we want it to.
    should we have a program to take care of people? maybe...but only if it has realistic expectations of itself. so hence this discussion, partly...
    and yes you do make sense, and Tina sorry if this seems like I can't let this go...I actually started this one from a good place this time! haha...

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  5. don't be sorry. i wasn't scolding you ... i was talking with you. ha ha ... three intense women having a discussion about love, expectations and community. fantastic! a good way for me to have community right now. love you ... t

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  6. It is fantastic, and also interesting that we can do this: (have this great discussion I mean) -
    - Julie and I don't actually know each other that well, but we love each other. (At least I think so, eh Julie? ;P) That's a good example of love not equalling close friendship, but it's there and it's good! Good church!

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  7. This has already been said here in different ways so I hope it's okay for me to add my own sentiments to the conversation. I don't know if they make sense though, but as I work these things out in my own life new questions always seem to surface for me, and this has definitely been on my heart lately.

    Is disillusionment always about idealism and unrealistic expectations? I think CV stands for some pretty high ideals and expectations, like that church should be about community, that we know how to have fun together, that we are a family of open, conversing, listening believers where we can talk about anything with each other without fear of being shamed. Most of us have these ideals I think, and if some big change happened at CV and these things we value about US are suddenly gone (god forbid!!) I think a lot of us would not let go of our ideals. I think we'd rather hold onto them and go in search of the same kind of grace filled community that we love and need somewhere else, or?

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